tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post3307516981555613507..comments2024-03-25T07:51:47.758-04:00Comments on Thoughts On Economics: Videos And Papers From 50th Anniversary Conference On Sraffa's BookRobert Vienneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14748118392842775431noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-77565298213343031072010-12-22T10:18:29.339-05:002010-12-22T10:18:29.339-05:00As Garegnani said: there was a bad acustic in that...As Garegnani said: there was a bad acustic in that room....<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQYd8l1LXLIAlejandro Fioritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929891745158637259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-21778478140939268972010-12-21T15:17:23.759-05:002010-12-21T15:17:23.759-05:00I am grateful for posting the videos and the paper...I am grateful for posting the videos and the papers. A best audio would be a good way to promote Sraffian economics via Youtube.Rodrigonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-12611203281370983042010-12-21T07:09:58.718-05:002010-12-21T07:09:58.718-05:00Thanks for the comments. I was interested to see w...Thanks for the comments. I was interested to see what some my favorite economists look like.Robert Vienneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00872510108133281526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-77291375717847857492010-12-21T06:31:54.954-05:002010-12-21T06:31:54.954-05:00All the papers (and further informations) are on t...All the papers (and further informations) are on the web site:<br /><br />http://host.uniroma3.it/eventi/sraffaconference2010/Saverio Fratininoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-5176679058595679462010-12-21T05:42:23.368-05:002010-12-21T05:42:23.368-05:00Gary Mongiovi: "By the time of his critique o...Gary Mongiovi: "By the time of his critique of Proudhon, Marx had arrived at many of the essential elements of his account of exploitation. He recognized that workers can be exploited because they have been alienated from the means of production through a historical process of expropriation and technological transformation."<br /><br />There is no such theory of exploitation in <b>"The Poverty of Philosophy."</b> There is, however, such a theory in Proudhon's "System of Economic Contradictions". Building upon his arguments in 1840's <b>"What is Property?"</b>, Proudhon presents a comprehensive analysis of how exploitation occurs in production within capitalism.<br /><br />First, Proudhon stressed that labour did not have a value but what it created did and so produces value only as active labour engaged in the production process. Second, consequently, when workers are hired there is no guarantee that the value of the goods produced equals their wage as the proprietor secures a profit by controlling both product and labour. Third, this hierarchical relationship allowed exploitation to occur:<br /><br />In short, the capitalist firm "with its hierarchical organisation" means that workers had "parted with their liberty" and "have sold their arms" to a boss who controls them, appropriates the product of their labour and, consequently, the "collective force" and "surplus of labour" they create. Machinery was used as a weapon by the capitalism and so produced "an increase of poverty" as well as bringing "us slavery" and so increased "the abyss which separates the class that commands and enjoys from the class that obeys and suffers." <br /><br />Gary Mongiovi: "This insight, and the method of analysis by which he arrived at it, are impressive scientific achievements."<br /><br />Yes, they are -- shame they were first expounded by Proudhon, not Marx!<br /><br />For more discussion on this, see my discussion <a href="http://anarchism.pageabode.com/pjproudhon/proudhon-and-marx-on-exploitation" rel="nofollow">Proudhon and Marx on exploitation</a>. Also, <a href="http://anarchism.pageabode.com/pjproudhon/appendix-proudhon-and-marx.html#poverty" rel="nofollow">the appendix on "The Poverty of Philosophy"</a> in my new Proudhon Anthology <b>Property is Theft!</b> may be of interest.<br /><br />IainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-54263763042954586412010-12-20T19:53:35.963-05:002010-12-20T19:53:35.963-05:00These videos are not intended to be profesional. ...These videos are not intended to be profesional. I made them myself while attended the conference.<br /><br />I founded that is a picture of such special meeting. I thank for all your comments.<br /><br />alejandro Fiorito<br />CircusAlejandro Fioritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00929891745158637259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-4981710276324078732010-12-20T12:59:50.107-05:002010-12-20T12:59:50.107-05:00It´s really sad the it can hardly be heard...It´s really sad the it can hardly be heard...Rodrigonoreply@blogger.com