tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post8627542905927641416..comments2024-03-25T07:51:47.758-04:00Comments on Thoughts On Economics: Tyler Cowen: Slave To The Rhythm Of PowerRobert Vienneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14748118392842775431noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-37260420668060323792007-10-16T10:40:00.000-04:002007-10-16T10:40:00.000-04:00I've seen Bookchin use it (in, I think, "The Moder...I've seen Bookchin use it (in, I think, "The Modern Crisis" or "The Ecology of Freedom") but not in Guerin or Chomsky. <BR/><BR/>I doubt that Guerin would, as the book is from the 1960s and propertarian ideologues had not yet stolen "libertarian" yet -- and being French, he would have been even less likely to have come across them. <BR/><BR/>I think that most anarchists who come across right-wing "libertarians" quickly realise they are propertarians and call them that. <BR/><BR/>The problem that the right seek to appropriate "libertarian" seems to be North American based in the main, but it does seem to be spreading. Such is the power of money, unfortunately. I fear that as far as America goes, the left have lost "libertarian".<BR/><BR/>IainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-31059171322374168512007-10-16T05:19:00.000-04:002007-10-16T05:19:00.000-04:00I know the word "propertarian" from Le Guin. I hav...I know the word "propertarian" from Le Guin. I have Chomsky's <I>American Power and the New Mandarins</I>, Guérin's <I>Anarchism</I>, and a few more works of anarchism at hand. But I don't recall the word in these.Robert Vienneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14748118392842775431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-1230717807827886902007-10-15T21:09:00.000-04:002007-10-15T21:09:00.000-04:00Iain is right. It was either in writings by him o...Iain is right. It was either in writings by him or Murray Bookchin where I first read the term.Shane Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15107193862410947119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-7319735218165347752007-10-15T09:32:00.000-04:002007-10-15T09:32:00.000-04:00That Rousseau quote has come to my mind many a tim...That Rousseau quote has come to my mind many a time when I read right-"libertarian" comments over the years.<BR/><BR/>And genuine libertarians (i.e., anarchists and libertarian socialists like Chomsky, Bakunin, Goldman and so on) have been calling right-"libertarians" propertarians ever since they tried to appropriate the word "libertarian" for their ideology in the 1970s. Unfortunately, without much success (at least in the USA). Such is the power of money, I suppose.<BR/><BR/>I think Ursula le Guin used the term in her introduction to the short story <B>"The day before the revolution"</B> (about Odo, the founder of the anarchism of <B>"The Dispossessed"</B>).<BR/><BR/>I also like this Rousseau quote, which is applicable to propertarian ideology:<BR/><BR/><I>"That a rich and powerful man, having acquired immense possessions in land, should impose laws on those who want to establish themselves there, and that he should only allow them to do so on condition that they accept his supreme authority and obey all his wishes; that, I can still conceive . . . Would not this tyrannical act contain a double usurpation: that on the ownership of the land and that on the liberty of the inhabitants?"</I><BR/><BR/>Iain<BR/><A HREF="http://www.anarchistfaq.org" REL="nofollow">An Anarchist FAQ</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-72932280022703378282007-10-14T21:55:00.000-04:002007-10-14T21:55:00.000-04:00Ha. Yes, I think I'll start using that, 'propertar...Ha. Yes, I think I'll start using that, 'propertarian'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26706564.post-88854424696653347562007-10-14T09:16:00.000-04:002007-10-14T09:16:00.000-04:00Propertarian may be less artful than libertarian, ...Propertarian may be less artful than libertarian, but it is more accurate.Shane Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15107193862410947119noreply@blogger.com